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Post by desertbikes on Nov 18, 2017 10:52:47 GMT -7
Don't wanna rewrite everything so I'm just gonna copy & paste the relevant bit here. Things may get edited as we gain more info. Any real world measurements & photos are welcome. Should fits, could fits & maybe ifs, don't do us much good ----------------------------- Got the 4.25” Vee Bulldozer & 4.8” Surly Knard today & wanted to post first observations. Don’t bust me on the oz to gr weight conversion. Actual grams are posted where oz are rounded. Vee Bulldozer 26 x 4.25 120 tpi, folding bead. Actual weight is 3# 3oz / 1446 grams with advertised weight of 1350 grams (mounted widths list below) Surley Knard 26 x 4.8 120 tpi, folding bead. Actual weight is 3# 4 oz / 1472 grams with advertised weight of 1506 grams (mounted widths list below) Will not fully clear Malus/Hitch chainstaysVee always lies about tire weights, as do many mfgs. First time out with Surly & it is lighter than spec. Good on them. Stock street tread older Dolomite & Beast tire is 6# 5oz or 2873grams or, metric sh*tloads of dead weight. Stock Hitch tires (on new Dolomites too) 26 x 4.0 1884 gram & 1798 grams - As of 10/31/2017 these can be purchased at Amazon for $41.28 ea. Mongoose # MG78251-2 Claimed weight on Amazon is 2.1 lbs or 953 grams which is incorrect (to say the least). Malus is not shipping with these tires & Tomcat's Malus has a different tread patter & are about 300 grams lighter than the Dolo or Hitch. More info in Tomcat's Malus thread. --------------- A few pics of old & new. No pics of the Surly yet. Bulldozer & stock tire on Hitch Dozer & Vee8 Dozer & Vee Mission ----------------------------------------- So you're wondering if those 4.8" Surly Knards will fit your Hitch or Malus...Yes, sort of. Maybe. You have about 3/8" clearance on the fork but, ZERO clearance on the back at the chainstays. I read somewhere here that a member trimmed the side knobs on a tire t fit his bike. That's what you'd have to do here as well. Now that's not to say another brand of 4.8" advertised tire won't fit, or a 4.7" might fit even tighter. These are not legal standards tediously adhered to by asian tire manufacturers. Just know if you're in that width territory, you'll just have to try. BTW the stock tubes are marked 4.0" - 4.9" so no problem there. BBTW - They DO fit a Dolomite with no issues :mrgreen: Front Rear Ouch!
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Post by desertbikes on Nov 18, 2017 10:54:26 GMT -7
The beginning of what will be a reborn Dolomite, Dolodid, Dolomite MKII, something clever perhaps...Anyway, the stock Hitch/Malus rims with a 4.25" Vee Bulldozer on front & 4.8" Surly Knard on the back. That's right, 4.8" :twisted: Because the bigger meats fit this frame & not the Hitch/Malus, The Dolo gets the makeover & the Hitch gets the old wheels (which will be rebuilt) & tires & remains stock. Plenty more chainstay space compared to the Hitch/Malus
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Post by desertbikes on Nov 18, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -7
Yeah, I know the Bulldozer is on backwards, although I doubt it makes a difference on the front. Well the 4.25" V ee Bulldozer is NOT 4.25". In fact it's slightly narrower than the Vee 8 which is 4 3/16. The Dozer is an even 4.0". HOWEVER it is a fantastic tire for dirt with great traction on steep corners. The side knobs actually work on this on & bite through the grit in places a Vee8 or Vee Mission wash out. Ran it at 8, 12 & 15 psi & was impressed. Its well balanced It's a keeper for sure. Maybe I should leave it backward... T he 4.8" Surly Knard is actually closer to 4.6". As a rear tire it grabs well in corners & soft silt. It's rounded profile runs smooth with low rolling resistance. it feels plush compared to the 60tpi Mission, which i like but the knobs are too big to bite well in loose rock & sand over hardpack. The Surly performs well on that terrain. I'm going to swap & put the Dozer on back & Surly up front. The Knard is a profile similar to the WTB Stout on my Deception & that been the best front tire for me. The Knard's knobs are patterned about the same but on steroids. I expect good results with slightly less float on the back. Even tho it's not a full 4.8", it's still a huge tire. Vee8 on Hitch & Dozer on Dolomite
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Post by desertbikes on Nov 18, 2017 10:58:58 GMT -7
From Fat-Bike.com
Updated 3-22-14 On One Floater – 120tpi Folding – 1481g, 1510g Surly Black Floyd – 120tpi – 1090g,1060g 45NRTH Hüsker Dü – (New 2012 Light Carcass 120tpi) – 1210g,1210g,1210g,1220g Surly Endomorph – 120tpi – 1340g,1360g,1340g,1290g, 1380g, 1380g,1660g, 1620g Surly Endomorph – 27tpi – 1390g, 1600g 45NRTH Hüsker Dü (Original 120tpi) – 1310g,1310g,1320g,1320g,1350g,1390g Surly Larry – 27tpi – 1440g,1510g, 1640g Surly Larry – 120tpi – 1430g,1420g,1430g,1370g Surly Larry – 120tpi Folding, Light Casing – 1110g,1130g,1110g Surly Nate – 120tpi – 1570g,1550g Surly Big Fat Larry – 120tpi Folding, Light Casing – 1360g Surly Big Fat Larry – 120tpi Wire – 1530g,1510g,1580,1530 Origin8 Devist8er – Kevlar Protection – 1820g, 1850g Surly Knard 26×4.0 – 27tpi, steel bead – 1600g Surly BUD - 120tpi Folding, Light Casing – 1630g Surly Knard 26×4.0 120tpi, Folding – 1260g, 1290g 45NRTH Escalator – 180tpi, Folding, Studdable – 1210g,1210g,1230g,1210g 45NRTH Hüsker Dü - 27TPI Wire Bead – 1610g, 1570g, 1570g, 1600g, 1610g, 1560g. Vee Rubber Vee 8 – 120 tpi, folding - 1361g, 1404 g, 1370g, 1390g, 1458g Vee Rubber Speedster – 120 tpi, folding - 984g, 972 g, 1048g, 1083g, 1095g Vee Rubber Mission – 120 tpi, folding – 1370g, 1390g, 1400g, 1420g, 1420g, 1410g Vee Tire Snowshoe – 120 tpi, folding – 1185g, 1247g Fatback Sterling – 120tpi, folding – 1236g, 1238g Vee Tire Snowshoe XL – 120 tpi, folding – 1604g, 1596g Vee Tire Bulldozer - 120 tpi, folding – 1430g, 1389g Vee Tire H-Billy - 120 tpi, folding – 1248g, 1263g
Fattie at World of Bikes shot us these weights from tires they have on the shelf!
45NRTH Hüsker Dü - 120tpi, Ultralight – 1279g 45NRTH Dillinger – 120tpi, Studded – 1357g Surly Lou – 120tpi, Ultralight – 1528g Surly Bud – 120tpi, Ultralight – 1563g Surly Nate – 120tpi, Ultralight – 1311g Surly Endomorph – 120tpi, Non-folding – 1422g Surly Nate – 27tpi, Steel – 1692g Surly Big Fat Larry – 120tpi, Folding *not Ultralight – 1431g Surly Larry – 120tpi, *not ultralight – 1414g Surly Knard – 27tpi, steel – 1715g Surly Black Floyd – 120tpi – 1068
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Post by tomcat65 on Feb 17, 2019 10:59:07 GMT -7
Kenda Juggernaut Pro, 26x4.50, Actual measured width 4.625in, Tread pattern width, as measured across the tire with a flexible ruler, 5.625in 120tpi, folding, 1480g actual, 1395g advertised.. Good on snow Great on grass and in loose dry dirt Better than expected on loose leaves and in mud Perfect on sand The Pro gets terrible reviews for rolling resistance at low pressures, but a little more psi equalizes the rolling resistance, and the compliance allows this tire to conform to the terrain at the higher psi, as well as most other tires at low psi. Currently, I run 6-8psi on sand and loose trails, 12-15psi when I want to run flat out on the road. The effort is always more for a fatbike than any other bike, the thing weighs over 40lbs. On the Mongoose Malus: The tire must be deflated to soft, to squeeze past the dropouts on the fork. The front tire clearance is fine once the front axle is seated. The rear clearance in marginal. The manufacturing snipes brush the chainstays at the bend. This tire replaces a Fat-B-Nimble knock-off in 26x4, actual measured width 4.375, tread pattern width 4.0, low tpi, wire bead, 1586g. Crazy transformation from stock. On windy days at the beach, I go to the drops and a lower gear, and spin right into the wind. I had a set of aero/tt bars on it, and I'll probably put them back on when we head South to the beach again, but they're in the way of everything when I'm home, but it looks cool with them. the kids say they look like machine guns. lol.. Appropriate, for this tank of a bike! Have a good day boys! I know that not all of you like the fatties, but this is the one I love!
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Post by tomcat65 on Dec 22, 2023 19:07:36 GMT -7
This bike is still going, looks a tiny bit different now, but I have a new sealed bearing crankset and a freehub to replace the rear freewheel hub. I need to get motivated to lace the hub in, but I never re-spoked a wheel before. Thinking about having a local shop do it for me. The crank needs a few spacers and I haven't even sourced them yet. But The Tires!! They still look and ride great! They don't get the desert heat, so no idea how that would work out, but I'd replace with the same if I can find them. (since '21 I've bought a Trek Farley, it's only marginally lighter, and the Sram GX 1x 12 speed isn't any better than the 1x11 Simano SLX on my China MTB. It's set up tubeless with Bont tires, will only clear 3.8" tires, It's a small frame, I don't know if that affects tire size, but I'd expect it to be a Trek thing. It also has a recall fork. Apparently, the original aluminum fork was a "slam-dunk" of sorts.) Long Live The Budget Bikes! Ain't no shame in my fatty lover game
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